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morrysillusion

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    i didnt realize the ARA thing could also 1) detect phonemes/lyrics 2) convert pitch from the vocal source. thought it was just generating a base midi! this basically makes the realvoice plugin w praat no longer needed... which, ARA is much much more effecient. itll be a matter of seeing it improve, but it takes a LOT of pain and tedium out of the realvoice method. annotating a 3 minute song by hand? god. no more. praat's pitch detection on AI ripped vocals is probably as good as ARA right now anyways, since its unclean. im shocked to say the phoneme detection is pretty decent, this has worked very well with the AI ripped vocals i tested. it even detected vocal dry??? ex. i used an adelle song and boy, she does a lot of vocal fry. the detection is pretty literal, not trying to make words but rather sound, and with a source like adelle with her specific singing it actually used phonetics that matched her, not the words. i know its way better with a clean vocal but it still does a decent base for ripped vocals, just probably better to enter lyrics yourself if its ripped
    morrysillusion
    ive had this design in mind for Hayden i just havent had any drawing energy..... most i can say is i see him as a red head with curly hair. dont ask why it just came to me suddenly and im sticking with it.... i feel like id draw him in light colors complimenting that. dull warm colors (greens, yellows, browns etc). not entirely sure on fashion sense tho
    morrysillusion
    idk if its just me but a lot of synth v voices' vocal fry [cl] either doesnt work at all or just isnt apparent (even when changing note duration/strength) and its always annoyed me. however i am so pleased to hear hayden's vocal fry DOES work/sound obvious and the note edits for that phoneme make it even more blatant. so happy
    morrysillusion
    i got hayden and i love him but i have zero covers rn that i want to plug him into.... no idea what i wanna make with him yet
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    Ryleigh Goldner
    Ryleigh Goldner
    In my case, if I ever get to purchase him, I'd use him to cover VOCALEAMO, VOCALOUD, and VOCAMETAL songs (like Okame-P's, Shoten Taro's, Yuyoyuppe's, and Utsu-P's discography). And maybe some of Okame-P's softer/soft songs (like ballads).
    His voice really reminds me of Oscar Wilde (not the writer, but Pascalle Lepas' character). (EDIT: Oscar has no voice acting since he's a character in a web comic)

    But I think it's up to you to decide what you want to use him for.


    Addendum:
    On a side note...I might cover PEGGY's (JPEGMAFIA) songs using him. SynthV's rap mode has never been to my taste, though.
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    He kinda reminds me of John Mayer tbh

    But if I had him I'd probably use him in soft pop and soft rock type stuff, he'd probably sound good with EDM as well.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    agreed! i just plugged him into a KIRA and nostraightanswer song bc they felt potentially fitting, and he does sound really nice. ill have to explore what i may actually finish with him but that genre seems simple enough for him. but i do wanna try him with something heavier like rock...
    morrysillusion
    suddenly remembered an utau i heard like 7-9 years ago. did anyone know of hana chikako? i always wanted to get the VB but, as far as i recall even back then the banks were taken down and the author said theyd upload some new ones, but never did. i think ive seen a handful of ppl make covers 12 years ago with one or two super old banks. i found them on soundcloud and i vaguely recall some.... Stuff around the author like accusations that their banks were not actually utau banks (the new ones mainly. like they were singing or splicing their voice in a way that was not actually cv or vcv. the old ones were available and have been used so clearly, they were real banks). als a lot of ppl had problems with her weird design. otherwise they seemed to have just vanished off the internet, their youtube is completely gone when i know it was up a while ago.. their soundcloud remains and contains the some of the newer banks they never shared.
    morrysillusion
    i hate it when i talk to ppl about how i make music and the moment i say "i used a guitar vst" they like no no no you NEED to learn guitar, dont do that! and then they ALSO say it for every other non-synth instrument i use a vst for instead. you want me, a one person producer, to learn guitar, horns, piano, etc etc????? when i have paid a couple hundred for good passable vsts? and manage to make music in less than a month thanks to it??? yea sure.
    morrysillusion
    i keep wanting to mess with diff svc n my own again buyt like... i cannot remember how to do it from memory LOL i think i just need to rebuild it from scratch (not including my vbs of course, ill back em up)
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    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    as someone who isn't super techie, i struggled with diff but had a very easy time with rvc and its related apps (such as kits)
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @AmazingStrange39 i have been wanting to try one of the other things rvc of even diffsinger! just havent had time and hoped to just mess with what i already knew lol. but since i kinda forgot how to use diffsvc i may just move on and try something different tbh
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    i mean, rvc models can be trained in like half an hour-an hour or so
    morrysillusion
    ughhh the pain of finding a ust i wanted but it was uploaded tuned with yamine renri's ridiculous amounts of suffixes that the utau suffix broker wont handle at all, and utaformatix does not recognize. and trying to batch replace stuff with with notepad++.... pain
    morrysillusion
    hah... this morning right when anri's new demo came out i saw a comment on the video that said something like 'she sounds great, but sadly i dont think i want to support a company thats reacting poorly to the claims being made'. got on my PC and thought, i wonder if the comment is still there... its not! it wasnt mean or aggressive.
    morrysillusion
    pifuyuu's endless supply of usts has me downloading so many and every time im like "oh i will cover that" this is why i have 89745987 unfinished covers... i have a lot with feng yi especially and i really wanna finish something with her, because i do love her and i havent posted much with her!
    morrysillusion
    at this point im just gonna sit down w the information i have from the audiologie tweets and not really put anymore care into the discussion, bc theres a lot of smaller things that are getting to the point of petty tweets from other audiologie employees etc and its so obvious how that company is run by unprofessional fans (not a jab to the ppl coming out abt the situation-- just a general statement of what fans are like when they try to run shit at all). the basics are out there enough that i think its worth talking about and staying aware. i dont think its worth following the tiny petty arguments spiraling out when they get irrelevant but it is good to see how these ppl reacted
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    Ryleigh Goldner
    Ryleigh Goldner
    @morrysillusion

    And that's very, absolutely, and undeniably understandable
    I'm kinda tired of keeping up to date with this...scandal? Controversy?
    I think calling it 'drama' is inappropriate
    I've been scrolling through Twitter for the last...thirty minutes? Fourty?
    I lost track of time
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Ryleigh Goldner i feel like i saw enough of the chatter that nothing more of it was gonna change my thoughts enough to do a 180, ya know? all of it just boils down to that-- audiologie has issues, some that people like me kinda saw coming, and in general are issues other similar fan-run projects typically fall into... it seems at this point any push back at tyler or xuu's tweets are just audiologie members just fighting back at them with like. more bad situations that werent caused by any one individual, it was just the fault of their unprofessional environment. and some classic attempts to bring up personal discussions that dont actually do anything to change the situation lol.

    tyler and xuu could have been simply disproven for whatever reasons but instead we see audiologie employees coming out of the woodwork and because of their need to individually start handling the situation, its proof enough that nothing is really gonna make them recover in any meaningful way.
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    honestly, that kind of un-professionality is a huge turn-off for me. same feelings about ace studio. part of me appreciates the existence of the more professionally-geared vocals even if they aren't necessarily catered to the fandom
    morrysillusion
    i know some ppl hate to hear it but as a long time vocaloid user im still kinda pissed about the release of v5, v6, and now this apparent new one. v5 was like.... a waste of time honestly. hardly used, hardly any releases, didnt bring anything groundbreaking to the table. v6 took a long time to release after all that time of v5 sitting around with barely anything, so it was late to the party on AI banks and even when it did release many were not impressed by it compared to others (myself included.

    with v5 and 6, even putting beside my subjective opinions on the voices or quality, felt like such a cheat in terms of my money. i bought v5 for its still admittedly high price after v4 only for it to kinda be a waste with how little support and use it had from yamaha. literally had no use for it unless i really wanted some of those new features which wasnt enough to make me want to open it over v4 for a simple cover.

    v6 releases and its basically the same but with AI and some new features-- and im supposed to want that after v5 got next to nothing? that i paid $100+ for before and should do again? why did i get v5 then? and trust that v6 actually gets some decent support and releases? which i am unsure will even happen now that they have jumped on this new beta stuff, its hard to know if itll be integrated into v5 or its own thing. my trust is totally lost at this point, especially when i am not personally pleased with the quality of what they have released.
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    Ryleigh Goldner
    Ryleigh Goldner
    I'm going to be honest—you articulated your points about V5, V6, and VX β-STUDIO way better than I could if I were to do it
    I agree with all your points, by the way, despite me being excited for β-STUDIO

    EDIT:
    Originally typed this in the bathroom, and didn't use my usual dashes and proper nouns, so I fixed it
    With additional grammatical corrections
    Vector
    Vector
    It's pretty much par for the course for any music production software. Most DAWs end up costing a few hundred for a new version every year, synth collections like Arturia's V collection are similarly expensive, Kontakt/Komplete is insane...and many audio products are heavily trying to move to subscriptions instead. (Even Logic Pro is now only available as a subscription on the iPad, which I think is a sign of things to come.)

    The thing about vocal synths is they're a relatively niche product, and the economics of software engineering are not kind to them continuing to be developed. Speaking as a software engineer in the US (where, to be fair, we do average higher salaries than JP), it would only take 5-10 engineers to cost a million dollars a year in developer time...and that's a minuscule number of developers for a product of that complexity. More like 50-100 is likely, plus product managers, human managers, UI designers, machine learning specialists, etc.. Assuming they make more like $50K/year in Japan instead of $100-200K in the US (based on an 8M yen Square Enix developer salary I saw posted once), that's still easily five million dollars a year in salaries alone (ignoring executive salaries, any profit, etc)...which would mean they'd have to sell twenty-five to fifty thousand units every year to break even, based on the upgrade/full version pricing. Which seems like a lot for the relative number of people making vocal synth music.

    The new Vocaloid studio beta thing isn't likely to be released as a commercial product for at least another year, maybe even two, assuming work started shortly before V6 was released. I'm just glad they're still working on it, and aren't moving to a subscription model (which would cost more and make it harder to use older versions) so far.
    morrysillusion
    didnt feel the need to add more on my post but the feedback thing in 1.10 is actually interesting. i sometimes use the generated tuning as a base, but i wasnt using retakes bc i would have to do it over and over. and i didnt always like the quirks from the normal generation. and i am now seeing the effects of the feedback when i switch back to 1.9 (the 1.10 version of the banks' learning tuning does NOT apply to all versions) and it is very different. it has gotten some offpitch and wiggly lines id see from yuma and has taken into account my preferences pretty well. but im still forgetting it exists so it doesnt do everything i want lol. i gotta keep thinking about it
    morrysillusion
    my repeating behavior lately is thinking "oh yeah i finished that cover" *looks for it on my pc* *repeats it numerous times bc i feel like it* *closes the files* *goes to sleep* *forgets it exists and never posts it*
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    Ryleigh Goldner
    Ryleigh Goldner
    This has happened to me on multiple occasions involving Synthesizer V project files.
    The ones from 2022? I didn't even bother naming them (most of them are titled with some variation of 'main' and 'cho' from the original USTs).
    So you can imagine what that's like...yeah
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    i have SO many files its insane...... gosh i cant even keep track. i tend to order my files by voice choice (folder for yuma, ryo, etc) but then i get caught up in jus chaging the voices anyways. and so then i get lost and cant figure out where thinsg are haha,. and so they just get lost in there until i recall tyhe specific song
    Ryleigh Goldner
    Ryleigh Goldner
    i tend to order my files by voice choice (folder for yuma, ryo, etc)
    Click to expand...
    I don't even do that—my project files (SVPs) are stored in the folders: 'shit,' 'down,' and 'more,' with the exception of 'ust' for, well, USTs.
    The folders are in my D: drive
    morrysillusion
    in my early days of covering (2015-16) it often felt like a race to cover songs with myself and ppl i followed or just general ppl in the community. like you had to be the first to cover it with voice x/y/z first and any other cover ppl made w that voice after was irrelevant. i think its what often had my churning out covers and getting burnt out. i mean i had moots commenting :aw man i was gonna cover that with *voice*" etc. that was a common thing. but now i just dont think about ti at all. idc if someone already covered it, my cover is my own. its unique
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    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    hurts my brain that so much of these were SEVEN years ago
    PearlStarLight5
    PearlStarLight5
    Huh, that's exactly what I deal with. Not because of pressure from other people, but thinking 'well, someone else did it and most likely did it better than me'. But I suppose, no one owns any combination of song or voice. Like, I've seen 3 Solaria covers of Athena and 2 Jun covers of Unknown Mother Goose, and I listened to all of them anyway. They were totally different too. Heck, there's even unsuprisingly 2 Asterian covers of Evermore and admittedly, the other one did it better than me, but they were a more experienced user and I was a minimalist tuner back then.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @PearlStarLight5 its definitely a thing i can imagine ppl think! maybe even not realizing it too, as i never really thought hard about it, just considered it a normal response tbh. and youre right too, i would often listen to multiple covers of the same voice if i saw them anyways, which kinda shows you shouldnt worry about it either.... took me quite a long time to realize that and just make covers without searching to see if someone already covered it.
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